One of the most commonly asked questions about Perle Cotton for use in Thread Crochet has to do with a size
“Cross-Reference”
Because Presencia threads are among my personal favorites I use them as the basis of my comparison/reference charts.
So many things can effect how a thread “measures” (Humidity, spinning, storage, how it is “put up”) that is next to Impossible – While not exact, since sizing differs between Perle & Crochet threads, the following is a “ROT-Rule Of Thumb”.
(added 2008)It is very important to know that there are DIFFERENT “standards” for Wool, Cotton, Linen & Silk. The chart below is specific to Cotton since that is the most common thread used by Crochets
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| R o w 0 |
Col 1 Crochet Cotton Range |
Col 2 Steel MM |
Col 3 Clover |
Col 4 Clover Soft Touch |
Col 5 Pony |
Col 6 Boye |
Col 7 Bates |
Col 8 Inox |
Col 9 tulip Skacel |
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| 1 | 0.40mm | – | – | – | – | – | No 16 | No 24 | 1 | ||
| 2 | 0.45mm | – | – | – | – | – | – | No 23 | 2 | ||
| 3 | 0.50mm | – | No 14 | – | – | – | No 15 | No 14 | 3 | ||
| 4 | 0.55mm | – | – | – | – | – | – | No 13 | 4 | ||
| 5 | 0.60mm | No 12 | No 12 | No 14 | – | – | No 14 | No 12 | 5 | ||
| 6 | 0.70mm | – | – | No 13 | – | – | – | No 11 | 6 | ||
| 7 | 0.75mm | No 10 | No 10 | No 12 | No 14 | – | No 13 | No 10 | 7 | ||
| 8 | 0.85mm | – | – | no-name | No 13 | – | – | No 9 | 8 | ||
| 9 | 0.90mm | No 8 | No 8 | no-name | – | No 14 | – | No 8 | 9 | ||
| 10 | 0.95mm | – | – | – | – | No 13 | – | No 7 | 10 | ||
| 11 | 1.00mm | No 6 | No 6 | no-name | No 12 | No 12 | No 12 | No 6 | 11 | ||
| 12 | 1.05mm | – | – | – | – | No 11 | – | – | 12 | ||
| 13 | 1.10mm | – | – | – | No 11 | – | – | No 5 | 13 | ||
| 14 | 1.15mm | – | – | – | – | No 10 | – | 14 | |||
| 15 | 1.25mm | No 4 | No 4 | No 8 | – | No 9 | No 10 | No 4 | 15 | ||
| 16 | 1.30mm | – | – | – | No 10 | – | – | No 3 | 16 | ||
| 17 | 1.40mm | – | – | – | No 9 | No 8 | – | – | 17 | ||
| 18 | 1.50mm | No 2 | No 2 | No 7 | No 8 | No 7 | No 8 | No 2 | 18 | ||
| 19 | 1.60mm | – | – | – | – | No 6 | – | No 1 | 19 | ||
| 20 | 1.65mm | – | – | – | No 7 | – | – | – | 20 | ||
| 21 | 1.70mm | – | – | – | – | No 5 | – | – | 21 | ||
| 22 | 1.75mm | No 0 | No 0 | No 4 | – | No 4 | No 6 | No 0 | 22 | ||
| 23 | 1.80mm | – | – | – | No 6 | – | – | – | 23 | ||
| 24 | 1.90mm | – | – | – | No 5 | – | – | – | 24 | ||
| 25 | 2.00mm | – | A-0 | – | – | – | No 4 | 2/0 | 25 | ||
| 26 | 2.20mm | – | – | – | – | – | No 16 | 3/0 | 26 | ||
| 27 | 2.25mm | – | – | 2/o | – | – | – | – | 27 | ||
| 28 | 2.30mm | – | B-1 | – | – | B | – | – | 28 | ||
| 29 | 2.50mm | – | – | 3/o | – | – | – | 4/0 | 29 | ||
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Col 1 Crochet Cotton Range |
Col 2 Steel MM |
Col 3 Clover |
Col 4 Clover Soft Touch |
Col 5 Pony |
Col 6 Boye |
Col 7 Bates |
Col 8 Inox |
Col 9 tulip Skacel |
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* Based on Data Current as of February 2007, updated to add photos on 2007-May-02 updated to add Tulip on 2007-May-24 updated to add on 2008-Sep-14 * Thread Hook Size Suggestions used courtesy of Clover® Needlecraft, Inc * ALWAYS MAKE A GAUGE SWATCH | |||||||||||
Average Yards per pound is how many yards of thread you would get on a one-pound cone.
If you have a large project, buying coned yarns can be very economical.
Most balls of crochet cotton seem to have about 400-450 yds
So using an old J&P Coats pattern which called for J&P COATS Size 20: (GREEN LABEL) 24 balls of White or Ecru. which, according to a Trademark infringement case:
” which is wound on spools of 200- yard lengths, “
This project calls about 4800 yards of Size 20 thread. If you selected some commonly available size 20 thread at the best price I could fine “on-line” you would need at least 12 balls at $3.27 – add in one ball to be sure you have enough, and the shipping so call it $45.
Now if you bought 2# of one of my favorite 10/2 Mercerized Cottons from WEBS
Even the Varigated is only $18.95 per pound
so for $40 you not only have plenty for project, you save at least $5 and have extra for “something else.
and you would save even more if your total order of discountables (did I mention I have not very often not qualified for at least the 20% discount
In case you haven’t guessed, WEBS is a long time (been a customer for more than 30 years) favorite place to shop.
In fact, I have been know to drive 150 miles (each way) OUT of the way to visit them
They have a famous back room. Think Wholesale club like Sam’s or Costco, but all yarn “buys” – the first time I went there, they gave me a stupid market size shopping cart and pushed me thru the door, “See you in a few hours – we’ll holler when its close to closing time” Mind you this was at 10am and yes, I was there to be hollered at (although we did leave for lunch and come back for round two)
HTH
Wheat
P.S. I promise to add the WPI as soon as I find where I put that piece of paper
If you have different information, please share, there is no such thing as too much information when it comes to the materials and tools we all love to use.
Wheat, You are terrible! Another Yarn buying place? I know I am in trouble now. I look forward to your updates on thread sizes.
Thanks so much, Wheat for the great info! I have been needing this information to convert some VERY old thread leaflets and now my search is over! Thanks again.
Thanks for the Presencia link. I sometimes tat with perle cotton. I’ve tatted with Finca threads before. It’s nice to always have more options for purchasing. 🙂
I am desperately trying to find a varigated crochet thread which appears to be a 2-ply, maybe size 8 which is a bit sturdy but not stiff. HELP. LEE